Portable Vaporizers

  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    interesting...will avoid...wonder how the mighty holds up?Hermes

    Don't have one and have not used one with trates so I don't know, but lots of folks here will know. Try it. :nerd: I think the Mighty is a quick and easy clean? Am I correct?
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    interesting...will avoid...wonder how the mighty holds up?
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Even was forced to think about using the MV1 to hit the sauce...now if I could only find my MV1 pad..Hermes

    I don't have one but have used them. Good vape. EVERYONE I know that does concentrates with their MV1 ends up regretting it. It is easy to "convert" on the FF2 from concentrates to flower (and vice versa) because it is so quick and easy to clean the FF2. THe MV1 has little nooks and crannies that can get really sticky.... if you say "fuck cleaning it" and just load a bowl of flower, after a concentrates session, the flower "dust" gets everywhere inside and going back to trates-mode is nasty with bits of flower in your hit :vomit:

    If you don't mind cleaning your MV1 then less of a big deal, but cleaning a MV1 is no simple task. It has some parts.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    perfect...will give it a try.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    great advice...actually picked up a titanium dab tool yesterday. Had my first “incident” with the pad last night...was overly aggressive pushing into place and it popped out onto the floor. Looked down, nowhere to be found...with only one pad to my name I had to bust out a flashlight and get down on all fours to scrounge around. Not what I thought I would be doing @58 but there I was...quite a relief finding it. Guess I will need to spend the $8 on shipping to have some level of redundancy. Even was forced to think about using the MV1 to hit the sauce...now if I could only find my MV1 pad....but so blessed to have such “problems.”
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)



    Get a small piece of parchment paper, turn the open jar upside down, put in a warm BUT NOT HOT place. Come back in several hours. Some folks freeze it overnight and then scrape the sides, but I've found that hit and miss. The warm-environment parchment paper techniques always works.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    awesome deep dive...much appreciated...how about the sauce left in the vendor glass container that is hard to remove with a dab tool at room temperature? Any tips for not letting that go to waste?
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Are the Firefly concentrate pads thinner and a better fit than the S&B? EconMan has stated he likes the S&B pads. Any input would be very helpful.fatbiker

    LabPong has already written on this and I agree *mostly* with him. For Rosin, I do believe he is totally correct. If you have a choice, use the OEM pads. However, very clean oils -- i.e. distillates and/or winterized bho -- I actually prefer the S&B pads precisely because of their extra porous nature. FF2 is a convection bape and the AIRFLOW IS OUT OF THE BOWL NOT INTO IT (if there is one thing to always keep in mind about the FF2, this is it. It drives every theory. With very clean oil that can take a lot more heat without burning I now prefer the S&B (the closer the substance is to the bowl the hotter the temp - the lid right over the bowl is HOT and it is an important part of the FF2's vaporization model.
    That said when I do use them, I put a new one in my Dulytech M800 (now only $199 btw) and SLIGHTLY (~200psi) smash it down say 1mm. This make the porousness a bit less

    But to set the record straight, generally speaking use the OEM pads. The only reason I even tried the S&B's was because everyone (even FF) was out. I have a shipment coming and the S&B pads will be used much less often.


    been hitting the sauce on my ff2+...sauce is in these little glass jars...how do you get the saucey remnants out? Freeze and scrape?Hermes

    Perhaps my favorite MJ high is "diamonds and sauce" (has many names) and the FF2 so excels in vaping these. The diamonds have no flavor so it's the sauce that provides it. Sauce is "dirty" by definition (like dirty rice, not necessarily a bad thing). The things that give weed its taste are part of the "dirt" in this sense.

    Cleaning after concentrate (especially rosin) use. I take my FF2 outside, hold it upside down, and spray the fuck out of it with this (electronics cleaner - 99.9%iso). Note, 99% is strong and so use gloves if your skin is sensitive to iso.
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    Then I follow up using iso dipped swabs or pre-iso'd towelettes.
    THEN, I fire it up to 500f and 10% calibration and "self-cleaning-oven" it through a dry cycle (don't inhale the iso! wait for it to evap before puffing... cigar it, not inhale)

    If there is a still any stuck crud (usually there isn't), I I'll use an appropriate dabbing tool to scrape it off just like a dental assistant, then use a iso towelette for one final pass.
    I soak my pads in iso in a baby mason jar -- so I always have a pad in the jar when I want one a rotation.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Are the Firefly concentrate pads thinner and a better fit than the S&B? EconMan has stated he likes the S&B pads. Any input would be very helpful.fatbiker

    Yes the S&B dosing capsule pads are a touch wider...but twice the thickness....they can squish in the bowl....but they are also more porous..which is why I did not end up using them after the first try. I had rosin at the bottom of the bowl on the screen after the 3rd draw.



    tangential question but not sure where else to ask it...been hitting the sauce on my ff2+...sauce is in these little glass jars...how do you get the saucey remnants out? Freeze and scrape?Hermes

    You should get a titanium dabbing tool for this....you might need it in the future for an actually dab...or something that will require a Ti surface and not SS or other cheap metal. I like my Skilletools Honeybun.

    And I got this big scrapper tool with my press from Dulytek. It is awesome to scrape up the free oil off the lid and base glass. 1/2 inch wide!
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    tangential question but not sure where else to ask it...been hitting the sauce on my ff2+...sauce is in these little glass jars...how do you get the saucey remnants out? Freeze and scrape?
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Are the Firefly concentrate pads thinner and a better fit than the S&B? @EconMan has stated he likes the S&B pads. Any input would be very helpful.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    that’s a bummer.... very surprising they couldn’t get even one sent out. But it’ll be like brand new when you do get it back!
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Unfortunately, I don't have any concentrate pads so I haven't used it. I called FF and processed the "upgrade" and when I was finished I asked if they could add a few accessories in the box when they return ship it. The lady told me the service center is separate from the distribution facility so they couldn't help me out. I was bummed... So now I will just send it in for the upgrade and order some concentrate pads.

    I considered canceling the upgrade since they can't help me with the pads. I was going to use a pad from my Mighty but it is too big.

    Looks like I'll have to wait a few weeks longer.....
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    vapor only charges 4.45 shipping if that helps... how are you liking your ff2? I know you just got it but curious initial impression about whether you’ll feel compelled to mail it off for the update.... I’m sitting on the same fence you were...
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Could I buy one from you?? :) I wish I reached out earlier to have you order a few extra pack. I could've bought them from you and had you ship them for a fraction of the price FF charges.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)




    Yeah, which is why I bought two packs! :nerd:

    I NEVER use the second battery. I was told to swap them out anyway, as it isn't good for the battery to just be dormant. Any validity to this?

    Also, I found this interesting (from nameste vapes ca)

    Concentrate pads are porous, heat resistant, sponges. They soak up the concentrate which is then evaporated out of them. This means that after you use it it should be as dry and empty as it was before you put the concentrate in. Of course, over time your pad will slowly clog with residue and wear down, at this point you should make sure to swap it out for a fresh pad.

    The part in bold above is not true with most rosin? My BHO oils perhaps, but rosin WILL clog the pads, and they do need iso'd.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Damn...$8 shipping is the cheapest shipping for the pads from ff....may need to order another battery and battery door to make it more cost effective.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    In stock at vapor and firefly
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    What’s out of stock, the oem concentrate pads? They show in stock when I just looked.52

    at puffitup....

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  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)



    Thanks so much. !!!!! :cool:
    Just ordered two packs. No more "compressing" SB dosing capsule pads in the M800. :rofl:
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)


    What’s out of stock, the oem concentrate pads? They show in stock when I just looked.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    That's why I tried the S&B dosing capsule pads.... literally could not find eom pads ANYWHERE. So I haven't looked for a while. Perhaps they have them on their website now?EconMan

    They are still OOS. I should of asked Zak on the stream the other day about that. Not sure if they sold out what they might of got with the new FF stuff....or if they never got them in with the FF2+ and other stuff recently.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)



    I agree. Amazon has some little baby mason jars and I use one just for my FF2 pads :party:

    One of the reason I think my oem FF2 pads wore out so relatively quick is, in part, I torched them clean in the beginning.... that goes through pads as the heat does damage them over time.

    they are out of the stock FF2 padsLabPong

    That's why I tried the S&B dosing capsule pads.... literally could not find eom pads ANYWHERE. So I haven't looked for a while. Perhaps they have them on their website now?
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    I just posted this over at FC...it was an answer to a Q bout flipping the pad over and when....etc. I think my answer is pretty good info and may help others whom do not have much experience with the FF2 and or concentrates on pads.



    I usually get about 6-7 draws off a fair amount on the pad. Then I leave it in there and the next time I use....I just warm up the pad with a draw....the flip it over and put my rosin on that side.

    I also sort of rotate or flip the pad sometimes during a bigger amount session. I basically draw 4-5 times and rotate the pad from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock. When you draw ...the airflow sort of channels from the full bottom plate then towards the front top of the pad where it runs down the center of the glass and into the mp hole. So you might get more out of the session by doing just that.

    You should be able to tell when taste (hopefully your goods have enough) fades and vapor production fades as well. But so what if you left some in there......next time just add a smaller amount and vape it all up again.....but this time when you add as I said...flip the pad over to load new stuff.

    Sometimes I load up more than I do in one session......so it just sort of keeps some in there and I do not have to add much more the following times.....but after about 4-5 sessions....you should probably clean the pad out at that point. I have one strain I grew that I have good results with pressing (OGK)....so I know the taste band from start to end stale taste. IF you try diff stuff a lot.....it might be harder to dial this process in as good.
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    Fascinating. I notice some variance in the S&B pads, so on a couple I slightly smashed it with my M800 and it makes it fit perfect. I find the "thicker" pads better, but I don't put the lid on until I get a small melt into the pad.

    Now that said, I don't have anymore FF pads, and haven't for a while, so I need to get some (they were out for a while) and compare again. :nerd:
    EconMan

    haaaa I thought about squishing down the S&B pads....but never tried.

    I was bummed when I ordered some small accessories I put off for awhile for PUFFITUP....they are out of the stock FF2 pads...damn....I need some new ones too!
  • Firefly 2+ (FF2)

    The oldest FF2 has a more restricted draw than the jetblack FF2, and the jetblack FF2 hits almost like the FF2+ with draw resistance.LabPong

    This is good to know. Thanks. Mine is a jet-black one. Bought about 14 months ago. Mine has been totally trouble free.


    They only hassle is they take their time with the upgrade... Don't expect Amazon Prime type turn around time.EasyToSlip

    Better than Grasshopper's :rofl:

    In other news......I have tried the S&B dosing capsule pad again.......NOT !

    Giving up....it is too porous compared to the stock FF2 one. I put maybe a medium load of rosin on the S&B pad and it seeped to the bottom of the oven in 4 draws......get way too much on the screen to continue and let it get clogged up. Besides.....they are too wide and thick to place well and then reload and put back in.
    LabPong

    Fascinating. I notice some variance in the S&B pads, so on a couple I slightly smashed it with my M800 and it makes it fit perfect. I find the "thicker" pads better, but I don't put the lid on until I get a small melt into the pad.

    Now that said, I don't have anymore FF pads, and haven't for a while, so I need to get some (they were out for a while) and compare again. :nerd:
  • Which dry herb vaporizer produces the coolest temperature vapour, the Pax or Firefly?

    You are a smart man from the sound of it. Better to have too much and not need it, than to need it and not have it!
  • The Grasshopper

    He never loved on it so it crapped out.Magicman

    You know what Freud said about things shaped like a Grasshopper :joke:

    I think the most RMA's I had heard of previously was 19...which is ludicrous in itself.Baron23

    Ludicrous is a good word. I would never buy one. I'll be honest, when I got into vaping and this forum, I would hear "ludicrous" stories about hoppers owned for years where their owners claimed it spent more time at Grasshopper being repaired than with them using it. They were hard to believe. Until another, and another, and another told their story.... I also came to notice many own two -- one to use and one for RMA?

    I study business in general and I find the company fascinating. First and foremost, they are still in business. I respect that. As a student of business and an entrepreneur myself, I REALLY respect that. It is a very HARD thing to do. Most business fail and fail hard.

    And their "Core" user base is impressively loyal -- like Trumpsters -- doesn't matter what they do. If my toaster toasted sometimes and other times not at all and yet at other times it burned my bread, and other times would not heat at all.... I would return it and get another model/brand. Yet, despite the "ludicrousness" many hopper enthusiasts continue to hop enthusiastically. Most folks here know I'm a fan of FireFly but if I experienced 1/100 of the issues described by so many hopper users, I would drop the damned thing like a bad habit.
    Not hoppers. They're loyal.

    The closest I've come to that sort of product loyalty was my old magnificent piece of shit TR7. I loved it AND hated it. I literally had two of them - one to drive and another bought from a junkyard for cheap parts. And my god did that thing go through parts -- everything broke, even things that never break on cars (like the seats) AND I didn't have much money back then at all.


    I really, really believe that those sitting out there over a year....that Hopper doesn't know where the fuck they are.Baron23

    Yes. One would just have to think that. I don't know precisely what a reasonable time is to allow for an RMA cycle but certainly a year is indeed ludicrous. Imagine the hypothetically unlucky person who gets the 30 repairs (like Terry) AND it takes six months each of RDA time -- wala, that's 15 years in RMA :gasp:
    My suspicion is as Baron says, they got "lost", meaning the used units perhaps get mixed up with other used units and they don't know often which hopper is who's. Like Terry said, they sometimes would just send brand new boxes.


    It's a great little vape when it's working...Terry1951

    Substitute "car" for "vape" and that was my TR7. :nerd:
    Seriously, I've heard your statement from many others who seem to feel the same love/hate.

    Don't know how they are still in business.Terry1951

    I don't either Terry. And I study business. I don't even know how they maintain a merchant account (accept credit cards) -- their "chargebacks" (disputes) must be through the roof, and banks don't like that at all. *IF* their credit card "disputes" hit over 1.5% every bank I am even aware of will put them on a "rolling reserve" where "x%" of their sales go into a reserve account -- their money but they can't touch it. That cuts DIRECTLY into cash flow -- this is in part what happened to Haze.

    My prediction is they are cash poor -- an existential property of any RMA process is literally to limit returns and repairs by putting a psychological "price" on initiating the repair/return -- just imagine how overwhelmed their support would be if they did NOT do this? So perhaps, ironically, they are still in business because they do fuck their customers around in this way. The whole thing is indeed ludicrous.


    A Grasshopper that would be reliable as a Pax. Would be the ideal vaporiser that everyone should own.Bruce

    I get your point but many people dislike Pax -- I gave my Pax3 away (and literally threw my Pax1 away and didn't vape again for years). I believe the greatest "idea" in vaping was the Haze Square. They failed to execute miserably, but the idea was solid.
    The PRIMARY problem with so called "portables" (wished we called them cordless) is loading on the go. The real reason I LOVE my FF2 and some hate it? I use it as a cordless desktop and never as a portable (for flower). It lives in its cradle mostly and I've never once run out of battery (except purposely to measure for someone). So I use it to its strengths, not weaknesses. A weakness is trying to reload it say at a concert or driving - it sucks.

    The Square IP solved this problem beautifully. Four BIG bowls and a simple and quick twist automatically sets the next bowl for vaping. It is a GREAT idea. Truly a design that is BOTH social and individual use!

    When I left combustion and started investigating vaping the 2nd time near a couple years ago, the Square was at the top of my list. @VapeCritic had not yet endorsed the MV1 (his1st review was lukewarm) but he had reviewed positively the FF2 (his appreciative face in the review made me want THAT particular hit). But a local friend had a relatively new Square and I hit it and all I can say is that particular experience was HORRIBLE taste as if a cat pissed in the airpath. :vomit: The taste was "sour" and just felt "unclean" if that makes any descriptive sense? Then he removed the cover to show me how it works and I saw what looked like "paint" flaking off the bowls apparatus. :gasp:
    So I went with the FF2. Thank you providence.
    If I had the time and the experiential knowledge, I would buy Haze's IP and finish it up proper. I think it could have been a truly great vape. (and my goodness, the "stories" from customers on that too are doozies).
  • Which dry herb vaporizer produces the coolest temperature vapour, the Pax or Firefly?

    Reminds of the days of old of waiting for "the guy" to show up and he never doesmartinstraka8282

    To make it affordable where I don't feel like a drug addict, even if I am, I buy in bulk. Min: 1/4lb Usually a half lb at a time. I'll keep a couple oz's for vaping and then the rest is slated for extraction of some sort.

    I get mine delivered but it is from a downtown source. I pay less than half what the suburbanites pay. But it ain't Walmart, and "next friday" can turn to "next monday" which can turn into another "next friday"... I placed my order three weeks ago. :grimace:
    It is the nature of black markets. But tell your wife, I agree with you. Anything less than a half pound makes me feel logistically vulnerable, regardless of legality. I'm like that. For instance, I have at least a years worth of cotton swabs. lol

    I love the PCKT as well and have used that too with my carts. I used to use the little bubbler for my Sticky Brick Jr with (like Stiiizy's). But sigh, I broke it -- an $80 fail :gasp:
    Glad it is working for you.

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